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Re: Maggie Kay's Horror Blog LTROI feature

Post by MaggieKayPresents » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:56 am

gattoparde59 wrote:I agree. John Lindqvist wrote the screen play, and the film really does make sense as an adapatation of the novel. Eli is an engimatic character through much of the novel (a puzzle maybe :) ) and that has carried over to the film version.
Yes I understand however they are still considered two separate art forms, thus they are two separate pieces. The creators of the film cannot and will not assume anyone read the book (even if the original author wrote the screenplay) thus they have to craft it as it's own work of art. That is how I (and many of my colleagues) perceive film adaptations. I almost feel like I'm being treated as an ignorant fool because I do not look at the book and film(s) as one piece.
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Post by DMt. » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:47 pm

Really? Where do you get that from? They are indeed radically different forms, as you say, and are mostly treated separately [though they can be conflated without too much harm being done, since as already noted, JAL did the screenplay].

I hope you enjoy the book, if/when you get around to it. Many people find it fleshes out the film very well.

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Post by metoo » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:05 pm

MaggieKayPresents wrote:Yes I understand however they are still considered two separate art forms, thus they are two separate pieces. The creators of the film cannot and will not assume anyone read the book (even if the original author wrote the screenplay) thus they have to craft it as it's own work of art. That is how I (and many of my colleagues) perceive film adaptations. I almost feel like I'm being treated as an ignorant fool because I do not look at the book and film(s) as one piece.
To me, they are separate only in an obvious but superficial way. I'm not particularly interested in either the novel or the film as a piece of art. Instead, my interest is with the story, or rather the series of events told by the story. The film and the novel casts light on the story from different angles, and complement each other. They are not separate on this more profound level.

Edit: You obviously are ignorant if you haven't read the novel, but such ignorance is easily remedied. If you are a fool - well, if you haven't read the novel and still maintain it is separate from the film, then that stance is based on ignorance, which is rather foolish.
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Re: Maggie Kay's Horror Blog LTROI feature

Post by PeteMork » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:09 pm

MaggieKayPresents wrote:
gattoparde59 wrote:I agree. John Lindqvist wrote the screen play, and the film really does make sense as an adapatation of the novel. Eli is an engimatic character through much of the novel (a puzzle maybe :) ) and that has carried over to the film version.
Yes I understand however they are still considered two separate art forms, thus they are two separate pieces. The creators of the film cannot and will not assume anyone read the book (even if the original author wrote the screenplay) thus they have to craft it as it's own work of art. That is how I (and many of my colleagues) perceive film adaptations. I almost feel like I'm being treated as an ignorant fool because I do not look at the book and film(s) as one piece.
Please don’t feel this way. None of those who have posted here mean any disrespect whatsoever. It’s just the general consensus here that LTROI is a love story rather than a horror story, and that excludes the possibility that Eli is manipulating Oskar in any way or that she is grooming Oskar to be the next Håkan. Most of us who saw the film first, came to that conclusion based primarily on the way Eli behaved when she was alone, or knew no one was looking, e.g., in the bedroom scene, where she agrees to “go steady” with Oskar. That look on her face was genuine love, even though Oskar couldn’t see it. And there are many other examples throughout the film that show, at least IMO, that Eli is genuinely in love with Oskar. Sauvin’s avatar is another prime example of such a time. And when we finally read the book, our thoughts on this were completely confirmed by JAL’s more detailed storyline. This is one of the reasons why, to many of us, the book is merely an embellishment of the film. In other words, there is only one Canonical interpretation of Eli’s motives in the ‘real world,’ and they were expressed by the author in both the book and the screenplay, and by the director who collaborated with him.

I’ve also just barely touched on the subject here. There are many threads on the forum that discuss these things ad nauseum.
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Post by DMt. » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:14 pm

Uh-ohhhh...

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Post by MaggieKayPresents » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:34 pm

metoo wrote:Edit: You obviously are ignorant if you haven't read the novel, but such ignorance is easily remedied. If you are a fool - well, if you haven't read the novel and still maintain it is separate from the film, then that stance is based on ignorance, which is rather foolish.
Oh I'm sorry, is THIS an example of no disrespect? I'm done here. I'm glad you all enjoy this story to the extent that you do, and I'm sorry I haven't had the time to read the book. Good day.
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Post by DMt. » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:45 pm

WE been told.

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Post by mackousko » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:28 pm

PeteMork wrote: Please don’t feel this way. None of those who have posted here mean any disrespect whatsoever. It’s just the general consensus here that LTROI is a love story rather than a horror story, and that excludes the possibility that Eli is manipulating Oskar in any way or that she is grooming Oskar to be the next Håkan. Most of us who saw the film first, came to that conclusion based primarily on the way Eli behaved when she was alone, or knew no one was looking, e.g., in the bedroom scene, where she agrees to “go steady” with Oskar. That look on her face was genuine love, even though Oskar couldn’t see it. And there are many other examples throughout the film that show, at least IMO, that Eli is genuinely in love with Oskar. Sauvin’s avatar is another prime example of such a time. And when we finally read the book, our thoughts on this were completely confirmed by JAL’s more detailed storyline. This is one of the reasons why, to many of us, the book is merely an embellishment of the film. In other words, there is only one Canonical interpretation of Eli’s motives in the ‘real world,’ and they were expressed by the author in both the book and the screenplay, and by the director who collaborated with him.
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Re: Maggie Kay's Horror Blog LTROI feature

Post by Cuchullain » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:34 pm

MaggieKayPresents wrote:
metoo wrote:Edit: You obviously are ignorant if you haven't read the novel, but such ignorance is easily remedied. If you are a fool - well, if you haven't read the novel and still maintain it is separate from the film, then that stance is based on ignorance, which is rather foolish.
Oh I'm sorry, is THIS an example of no disrespect? I'm done here. I'm glad you all enjoy this story to the extent that you do, and I'm sorry I haven't had the time to read the book. Good day.
Oh well I tried to include her and give her a chance to discuss the film with us but I guess she was overwhelmed by our infection.I guess some people are immune. :D
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Post by a_contemplative_life » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:42 pm

Well, that was tactful.
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