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Just rewatched it...

Post by ofelia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:11 pm

My friends and I try to do a horror movie night every week, this is what we watched on Halloween. I only saw it once before, about a year and a half ago if I remember correctly. The one thing I really noticed this time was the soundtrack: it felt weirdly out of place. I thought it was too noticeable, which is strange because I didn't notice it at all the first time that I can think of. Did anyone else find it strange? Or did you like it? To me the 'romantic' music in the scenes with Abby and Owen contributed too much. I thought there was more emotion in the music than the acting, or rather that the music was telling you what to feel more than the actors were (not a good thing). If you try and imagine it without the music it feels sort of flat. Maybe that's just me. I do like the movie, but it somehow left me not feeling much of anything.

We'll probably watch LTROI at some point, it probably bears mentioning that I've only seen it once all the way through ( :o :!: I know!) So I might feel different about that one too. But I do remember liking the music a lot, listening to it before watching the movie and being pleasantly surprised with how it was edited in when I did watch it (it doesn't overpower the playground scenes, for one thing). Just some thoughts.

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Post by sauvin » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm not too wild about the score, either. I found it a bit screechy.
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Post by gkmoberg1 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:02 am

To me, the soundtrack is the auditory punctuation that this take on LTROI has a different beat to it. This retelling, LMI, has a different feel throughout. Having a screechy, louder, or imposing score is just one more ingredient in how this film sets itself apart. In other words, I think it was intentional, and was done so to help claim this retelling as being distinct from the Swedish movie/novel combo and was done to fit the beat (pacing, flow) of how Reeve's wanted LMI to work.

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Post by lombano » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:32 am

I had the same problem with the soundtrack, it seemed massively overdone, the only time I thought it was effective was in Thomas' death scene.
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Post by a_contemplative_life » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:38 am

"Ponderous" might be a good word...
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Post by sauvin » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:22 am

lombano wrote:I had the same problem with the soundtrack, it seemed massively overdone, the only time I thought it was effective was in Thomas' death scene.
a_contemplative_life wrote:"Ponderous" might be a good word...
Sometimes the music that "punctuates" a movie heightens, extends and deepens, such as the delicate little number that's playing as Oskar offers his cube to Eli. Sometimes, in movies, the music is garish, noisy and just stupidly out of place. Most of the time, it's just mildly annoying and pointlessly obtrusive.

The funny thing is, I remember my reaction to some of the music from LTROI first time i watched it. I remember thinking "Holy $deity, they dragged out three or four whole orchestras for this one, didn't they!?" I found it heavy and massive, but somebody on the IMDB boards said "Um, no, actually, sounds like a nice blend of Scandinavian traditional and modern themes to me.." After having heard it a few hundred times (!), it's easy now to say that it has its subtleties, that it's not "heavy" or "massive", that it's actually very delicate, balanced and full of little nuances. If you're musically inclined, give it a really good listen - ALL of it - a couple dozen times. Even when you think it's standing still, it isn't. It's very complex even when it's moving very slowly.

The first few times I watched LMI after having gotten the DVD, I had to turn the sound down because the music, it was just usually too [deleted] screechy. After a while, it wasn't "screechy" anymore, it was just "high-pitched" and "simple". Did I hear an oboe or two wending in and out amongst the themes?

If LTROI's music is shot through with hope against hope, of darkness, despair and the unbearable lightness of acceptance, then this is part of that movie's magic, but if I had to describe much of the music in LMI in such terms, I'd be inclined to use the words "naively hopeful" and "plaintive". it becomes decidedly less "high-pitched" and decidedly less "simple" as the end credits roll on; it's more collided and more "chaotically" and dissonantly dark. It's the sound of something coming unraveled.

But I still find the tonality of much of the LMI sound track at odds with the narrative.
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Re: Just rewatched it...

Post by ofelia » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:09 pm

sauvin wrote: But I still find the tonality of much of the LMI sound track at odds with the narrative.
That's really what bothered me, too. In fact maybe it actually worked to underline the allusion that Owen will become the next Thomas, although it got there in kind of a roundabout way. What I said before about the romantic scenes only being 'romantic' because of the music now feels like (if you want to interpret it this way) the audience is being manipulated by the music into thinking it's an innocent romance, just as Owen is being lured by Abby. I'm not inclined to argue about the ending, because I honestly don't care that much, but I do think that this one ends a lot more ominously than LTROI, and that it's likely that Abby was older than she pretended to be, as opposed to Eli. Anyway that's kind of what I get from the music after thinking it over. But this is probably because I've thought about this story a lot; I still don't think the score here is exactly successful. I like your analysis though.
sauvin wrote: The funny thing is, I remember my reaction to some of the music from LTROI first time i watched it. I remember thinking "Holy $deity, they dragged out three or four whole orchestras for this one, didn't they!?" I found it heavy and massive, but somebody on the IMDB boards said "Um, no, actually, sounds like a nice blend of Scandinavian traditional and modern themes to me.." After having heard it a few hundred times (!), it's easy now to say that it has its subtleties, that it's not "heavy" or "massive", that it's actually very delicate, balanced and full of little nuances. If you're musically inclined, give it a really good listen - ALL of it - a couple dozen times. Even when you think it's standing still, it isn't. It's very complex even when it's moving very slowly.
Actually, I felt this too, although it was a little different for me. I looked up the soundtrack after I'd read the book,when I was still debating whether or not to watch the film. I didn't think much of it the first couple times I heard it. I don't remember why; I guess it was because it wasn't what I expected and I didn't have the exact visuals to match up with it. But then I went back to it a while later and for some reason it just grabbed onto me. I might not have watched the film at all if not for the music. I think the best film scores are the ones that sort of worm their way into your subconscious. The first time around you might not remember them but when you hear them again and actually listen for them they're much more subtle than you would think. I have had Johan Söderqvist's music work its way into my dreams; that to me is what it should do, it shouldn't get in the way of the film but it should also demand a re-listen. LMI didn't do that for me. I don't remember it any better this time.

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Re: Just rewatched it...

Post by intrige » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:32 pm

I liked the score, but that was only in one small scene. During the rest of the movie I hated it, espesially when that police man walks so slowly up to Abby's bathroom door, so stupid with stupid soundtrack.
The score I did like was when Abby bled. The reason why is that I gave a love for a capalla music-ish songs and soundtracks. Pluss, it sounded so " hail the devil" type of.. mood. I actually found the words they sung in that scene, transelated from latin, it was actually devil, monser, type of stop in the lyrics. Which I think makes it all very funny. :lol: It also kind of proves that they wanted Abby to be a monster? .. if that's the case Matt did a good job, Abby is awful. :o
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Re: Just rewatched it...

Post by sauvin » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:07 pm

intrige wrote:I liked the score, but that was only in one small scene. During the rest of the movie I hated it, espesially when that police man walks so slowly up to Abby's bathroom door, so stupid with stupid soundtrack.
The score I did like was when Abby bled. The reason why is that I gave a love for a capalla music-ish songs and soundtracks. Pluss, it sounded so " hail the devil" type of.. mood. I actually found the words they sung in that scene, transelated from latin, it was actually devil, monser, type of stop in the lyrics. Which I think makes it all very funny. :lol: It also kind of proves that they wanted Abby to be a monster? .. if that's the case Matt did a good job, Abby is awful. :o
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Post by danielma » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:44 pm

For my taste, I found the soundtrack to be overbearing at times...I don't think there is one single scene where the score doesn't play...and if it isn't the score then it's source music.

There are three tracks I do like from the soundtrack though...I like Parting Sorrows, Trained and Steady and the End Credits music...those three tracks I like...everything else about the soundtrack just felt overbearing for my liking. That and I wasn't big on the choir involvement.
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