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Post by Lacenaire » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:19 am

Lacenaire wrote:These kind of reactions do not bother me at all because I think that the way people react to such a poetic, enigmatic and ambiguous work of art tends to reveal more about themselves than about the object they are commenting on.
Actually, that was not quite right. This sort of thing does bother me when there is a chance that what someone like that says or writes will prejudice the view of others who have not had the chance to make up their own mind. So in such cases I would feel almost obliged to react. But if a person has already a well established reputation as a perfect idiot (I also know a few) than I just ignore him.
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Post by Wolfchild » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:27 pm

gary13136 wrote:But I'll never forget what the one female participant said. She had read the book, and I believe had seen the movie. I have heard Eli described many different ways: manipulative, child molester, and so forth. Definitely not majority views on this forum although that is the impression some have of her. But this woman's view of Eli's sexuality is, so far, unique. This woman described Eli as a --------hermaphrodite????? :shock: No kidding, folks. As of this evening that was the opinion of at least one person in Ireland.
Is there any chance that this was more of a failure of vocabulary rather than a failure of understanding? I often cringe when I hear people use words and you can tell form the context that they have no freakin' idea what the word really means. It seems as though it is more important to them to use a big word than it is to use the right one.

'Hermaphrodite'. 'Androgen'. They do kinda sound the same, don't they? :lol:
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Post by gattoparde59 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:43 pm

Wolfchild wrote:Is there any chance that this was more of a failure of vocabulary rather than a failure of understanding?
That is my feeling. All this outrage just because somebody didn't look in the dictionary. Lacenaire does make a good point that big misunderstandings sometimes start out with trivial mistakes.

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Post by N.R. Gasan » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:12 pm

I think Wolf and gatto are correct: This woman's choice of words -- or word, in this instance -- is probably a simple case of not understanding what "hermaphrodite" actually means. Just for the record, a hermaphrodite is someone who is born with aspects of both genders, with one gender usually dominating the other. Eli, on the other hand, is a sort of reverse-hermaphrodite: Just as some hermaphros can be legitimately seen as male OR female, depending on their exact physiology, Eli can also be seen as a boy or a girl...but for the opposite reason. Eli's sexual ambiguity is the result of a brutal castration; Eli's is a case of lacking, rather than having extra, so to speak. The woman was likely thinking "androgen," but said "hermaphrodite." [For full disclosure, I swiped androgen from Wolf's post; I wouldn't have thought to use that word and I like to give credit where credit is due.] :)

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Post by TΛPETRVE » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:12 pm

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sauvin wrote:There's this guy on the IMDB LTROI board who can put up some perfectly insane posts. I mean this literally: insane. After he's apparently declined the suggestion that he switch to decaf, I've been known to suggest that what he's putting in his coffee, that white stuff, it's not Splenda.
Oh, yeah. Good ol' Pike. That man is absolutely fascinating. Like a living logic bomb.
Oh, come on. This dude is just great, you rarely meet someone who's able to buffoon around to such an incredible extend and keep a perfectly serious attitude at the same time. He could as well be me, if this was another movie. But it's all LTROI and I cannot bring myself to jerk over this wonderful picture - it saved my life and sanity, after all.
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Re: Just when you think you've heard everything.......

Post by gary13136 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:48 pm

Wolfchild wrote:
gary13136 wrote:But I'll never forget what the one female participant said. She had read the book, and I believe had seen the movie. I have heard Eli described many different ways: manipulative, child molester, and so forth. Definitely not majority views on this forum although that is the impression some have of her. But this woman's view of Eli's sexuality is, so far, unique. This woman described Eli as a --------hermaphrodite????? :shock: No kidding, folks. As of this evening that was the opinion of at least one person in Ireland.
Is there any chance that this was more of a failure of vocabulary rather than a failure of understanding? I often cringe when I hear people use words and you can tell form the context that they have no freakin' idea what the word really means. It seems as though it is more important to them to use a big word than it is to use the right one.

'Hermaphrodite'. 'Androgen'. They do kinda sound the same, don't they? :lol:
I think you are very close to the truth. When I wrote The Tubridy Show, I said that I felt that hermaphrodite was "an unfortunate choice of words". I was very nice about it. Perhaps this was just a case of "activate jaws, insert foot". :lol:
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Post by intrige » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:22 am

gary13136 wrote: But to see the movie and read the book and then say Eli was a hermaphrodite???
Seen this?: Or should I say, heared?
He didn't read the book though, he figured something out online.. But still, f*cking twisted!! :shock:
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Post by Dragonclaws » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:06 am

intrige wrote:
gary13136 wrote: But to see the movie and read the book and then say Eli was a hermaphrodite???
Seen this?: Or should I say, heared?
He didn't read the book though, he figured something out online.. But still, f*cking twisted!! :shock:
Um, what about that is twisted? It's sounds like a basic recommendation to me. Did you put the right video up?
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Post by intrige » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:22 am

It's twisted cause he is so much agains the idea.. And he also compared Eli with the girl from interview with a vampire. Two different storyes. He is also the only one who have described Eli in that way.. (that part isn't twisted) Some guy made a video responce to it:
Mabye twisted wasn't the right word, when I come to think of it..He suprised me though..
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Post by Dragonclaws » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:37 am

That would be
The video you posted is a recommendation for LTROI and a rant about Hollywood remaking foreign films.
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