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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by sauvin » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:35 am

Could some kind soul supply a fast rundown for folks like myself who can't understand speech easily?
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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by abner_mohl » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:10 am

DarkGuyver wrote:
abner_mohl wrote: From this thread in Media: http://www.let-the-right-one-in.com/for ... p?f=6&t=21

Q & A with TA and Hoyt van Hoytema, TA explains overdubbing Lina's voice and the use of CGI to manipulate Eli's eyes and the shape of her face when she goes through different phases of hunger.
That actually explains why Lina looks different at certain parts of the movie. I always thought that they had more than one actress playing Eli, and they just swapped actress for certain parts of the movie. I know they dubbed over Lina voice with another actress mainly due to the fact that Lina's voice sounded too femanie for the role with Eilf Ceylon. I knew they use CGI for the scene when Eli started to bleed after she walked into Oskars apartment without an invitation, but I didn't know that they used CGI for other parts of the movie.
I think there are only two scenes where Lina is replaced by middle aged Susanne Ruben: the basement scene after Eli laps up Oskar's blood from the floor, and just after the bleeding scene when Eli says "Be me a little".

In this interview with Icons of Fight, TA explains the use of CGI in LTROI:
http://www.iconsoffright.com/IV_Tomas.htm
Icons of Fright: What kind of decisions did you make in how much you wanted the vampires to feel vampiric or not? It's interesting how much violence you put in and didn't put in, weather we were going to get a sense if there were fangs or not. Things with the skin: when she was lacking the blood, she started to look more decaying. What was involved with your art direction? Your thoughts on that?

TA: Well, there is a lot of CGI in this film. I think over 50 CGI shots. And it's a fantastic tool box to use, but it seems like almost everyone is using it too much. If there's a car explosion, it seems like the car has to explode for 3 minutes, and has to be the biggest car explosion you've ever seen. And it's not good for the material or the reality to it. So, we tried to hold back on that as much as possible. You can do so much with those effects in a subtle way. For instance, changing the size of the eyes by 10 percent. Just make them 10 percent smaller, and nobody could tell what you have done, but it's really spooky when someone suddenly has little, smaller eyes. In one scene, they were bigger and so on. People can not really pinpoint it. If you make a car explosion for 4 minutes, everyone will know it's fake and why.
And Matt Reeves' use of CGI when Abby apes out and attacks Larry the Jogger certainly proves TA was right about the subtle use of VFX.

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by shaggles » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:19 pm

abner_mohl wrote:
DarkGuyver wrote:And Matt Reeves' use of CGI when Abby apes out and attacks Larry the Jogger certainly proves TA was right about the subtle use of VFX.
I agree. That scene in LMI looked really phony.

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by DarkGuyver » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:34 am

abner_mohl wrote:
DarkGuyver wrote:I think there are only two scenes where Lina is replaced by middle aged Susanne Ruben: the basement scene after Eli laps up Oskar's blood from the floor, and just after the bleeding scene when Eli says "Be me a little".

In this interview with Icons of Fight, TA explains the use of CGI in LTROI:
http://www.iconsoffright.com/IV_Tomas.htm
Thanks for the link.

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by bore » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:12 am

abner_mohl wrote:
For instance, changing the size of the eyes by 10 percent. Just make them 10 percent smaller, and nobody could tell what you have done, but it's really spooky when someone suddenly has little, smaller eyes. In one scene, they were bigger and so on. People can not really pinpoint it.
I just saw a list of actors with the most expressive eyes
I doubt that the one who put the list together knew that Linas eyes were 'enhanced' 8-) <- CSI style smiley

Also proves the statement "People can not really pinpoint it."
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Post by DMt. » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:31 am

sauvin wrote:Could some kind soul supply a fast rundown for folks like myself who can't understand speech easily?
Tomas is talking about the various means employed to alter LL's voice and appearance; how he wanted a more androgynous voice since Eli was originally a boy, the huge effort involved in that, then that she wore blue contacts, and that they altered the geometry of her face in several shots to better depict the hunger.

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by intrige » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:25 am

Back to the topic. I really like Oskar and Elis pupils in the bedscene. (Because of the weak ligthning, their pupils got big) :D
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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by DMt. » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:59 am

Yes, any way you look at it, that is one very beautiful and, despite [or even because of] its quietness and subtlety, a very highly-charged scene.

Occasionally I have playfully bickered about whether that, or the spider-door scene in Eli's apartment, is the most pivotal of the film, but I know it doesn't really matter :D

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by a_contemplative_life » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:26 am

What? Expressive eyes? Where? Whose? Nah.

You keep looking long enough and Oskar's decision to be turned begins to make sense--completely, totally, absolutely. :lol:

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Re: Eli's different faces (eyes)

Post by Nightrider » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:43 pm

Beautiful.
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