Just watched on blu-ray

[Imnotazombie]

He knew she was naked cause he felt her, she wasn't keeping a distance, she just wasn't all out snuggling with him. And just because they leave out the crotch shot don't mean they leave out the sexual ambiguity all together, she still mentions she's not a girl, and nothing. And even though she IS a girl as its been said before, she's still NOTHING like in the original, as she never went through puberty, so the sexual ambiguity is still there. And lets say it wasn't, I think its still pretty iffy to call it run of the mill, I mean seriously? This is anything BUT run of the mill. But thats just my thoughts, there are other things I disagree with, but thats much more a matter of an opinion.

I agree, I think Owen felt her when she lied beside him. to me, when Abby says to Owen that she's not a girl, maybe she meant that she was a creature.

I think she means that but also she IS nothing because she never really achieved sexual maturity, cause she was turned before she could. So really she's still pretty androgynous like in the original. I still like the original more though, to me you could rush to happier conclusions, where in this it pretty much forces you to see Owens life to be like the Fathers.

[ColBlair]

I think she means that but also she IS nothing because she never really achieved sexual maturity, cause she was turned before she could. So really she's still pretty androgynous like in the original. I still like the original more though, to me you could rush to happier conclusions, where in this it pretty much forces you to see Owens life to be like the Fathers.

Yeah, that's what I also started to think too after I seen the film, that Owen maybe the next caretaker. Though maybe, if he is the next caretaker, then he might be a bit smarter.

[joshpaid]

i feel a bit tardy, but as far as Abby safely entering the pool, during the scene where she enters Owen's apartment uninvited and hemorrhages blood, she explains that's what happens when she enters a "home" uninvited. she makes a point of stating "home", so that leads me to believe she can safely enter public places.

[Imnotazombie]

i feel a bit tardy, but as far as Abby safely entering the pool, during the scene where she enters Owen's apartment uninvited and hemorrhages blood, she explains that's what happens when she enters a "home" uninvited. she makes a point of stating "home", so that leads me to believe she can safely enter public places.

Well then why in the book did Eli ask to be invited into the pool structure? This version was based on the book too, and took details from it, so I think Matt took that terminology into account. I think she broke in herself, and risked her life blood leaking out of her and everything just to save Owen as fast as possible.

[crazychristina]

There were some inconsistencies about the 'inviting in' rule. Eli didn't need to be invited into Oskar's apartment building, only into his actual apartment. In the book she didn't need to be invited into the hospital, only into Hakan's room in the hospital. In the film they added an invite into the hospital but that was an afterthought, and probably not necessary. I think John required an invite into the pool as a dramatic device and not because it was actually consistent with the mythology he was working with.

[Imnotazombie]

There were some inconsistencies about the 'inviting in' rule. Eli didn't need to be invited into Oskar's apartment building, only into his actual apartment. In the book she didn't need to be invited into the hospital, only into Hakan's room in the hospital. In the film they added an invite into the hospital but that was an afterthought, and probably not necessary. I think John required an invite into the pool as a dramatic device and not because it was actually consistent with the mythology he was working with.

I think it would've been more heartfelt if he didn't include that as a "dramatic device". But thats whats nice about books, you can just scribble what you don't like out : )

[ColBlair]

There were some inconsistencies about the 'inviting in' rule. Eli didn't need to be invited into Oskar's apartment building, only into his actual apartment. In the book she didn't need to be invited into the hospital, only into Hakan's room in the hospital. In the film they added an invite into the hospital but that was an afterthought, and probably not necessary. I think John required an invite into the pool as a dramatic device and not because it was actually consistent with the mythology he was working with.

I think it would've been more heartfelt if he didn't include that as a "dramatic device". But thats whats nice about books, you can just scribble what you don't like out : )

I agree with you there man!

[DavidZahir]

I think in my mind that in the films themselves, that Abby can go inside public places, but not privately owned places.

I see it a little differently. She needed to be invited into the hospital room, but not the hospital itself. Just as nothing prevented her from entering the apartment building at the start, or even an empty apartment (her own or the basement apartment). Yet an occupied apartment or bedroom, she needed permission.

So I don't see a problem with her entering a gym.

[ColBlair]

I think in my mind that in the films themselves, that Abby can go inside public places, but not privately owned places.

I see it a little differently. She needed to be invited into the hospital room, but not the hospital itself. Just as nothing prevented her from entering the apartment building at the start, or even an empty apartment (her own or the basement apartment). Yet an occupied apartment or bedroom, she needed permission.

So I don't see a problem with her entering a gym.

Actually, I viewed the hospital room as a privately owned place. Though you do have a point there of what you just said.

[lombano]

He knew she was naked cause he felt her, she wasn't keeping a distance, she just wasn't all out snuggling with him. And just because they leave out the crotch shot don't mean they leave out the sexual ambiguity all together, she still mentions she's not a girl, and nothing. And even though she IS a girl as its been said before, she's still NOTHING like in the original, as she never went through puberty, so the sexual ambiguity is still there. And lets say it wasn't, I think its still pretty iffy to call it run of the mill, I mean seriously? This is anything BUT run of the mill. But thats just my thoughts, there are other things I disagree with, but thats much more a matter of an opinion.

I agree, I think Owen felt her when she lied beside him. to me, when Abby says to Owen that she's not a girl, maybe she meant that she was a creature.

I think she means that but also she IS nothing because she never really achieved sexual maturity, cause she was turned before she could. So really she's still pretty androgynous like in the original.

An immature girl would still be a girl. Abby clearly is female, so these statements could be interpreted either as being inhuman or, (and this seems far more likely) as referring to some kind of issue with sexuality (think deleted scene).