That in turns reminds me of a piece of dialogue spoken by Charlotte Gainsborough's character in "The Cement Garden:metoo wrote:I happened to come across this movie, which has some relevance to the discussion:
Did anyone else like LMI better as a film?
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ETA: It's "Cement Garden", not "Concrete Garden". Gettin' old...
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Re: Did anyone else like LMI better as a film?
gymmy64 wrote:That in turns reminds me of a piece of dialogue spoken by Charlotte Gainsborough's character in "The Concrete Garden:metoo wrote:I happened to come across this movie, which has some relevance to the discussion:
Another great clip.
Is the movie it's from good?
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I don't understand this sentence.Alice?Maybe wrote:In LMI I find the use gratuitous as misogyny, attitudes about girls, is not a theme that is being furthered.
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Fair enough. I'll try again and try to be a bit clearer, if I don't succeed that's my fault.sauvin wrote:I don't understand this sentence.Alice?Maybe wrote:In LMI I find the use gratuitous as misogyny, attitudes about girls, is not a theme that is being furthered.
The boys taunting Owen, Kenny, the tree with "little girl" indicates a negative view of girls as compared to boys. This attitude is misogynistic of them. Misogyny, negative attitude/view of girls, is not a theme Reeves is developing. So, the use of "little girl" as a taunt, slur does not further an anti misogyny theme. It appears, to me, to only be used to make the bullies all the more vile. This could have been accomplished by any number of other taunts, insults. Therefore the use of "little girl" as a taunt is gratuitous as it does nothing to further the themes of the film in and of itself, IMO.
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Alice?Maybe wrote:The boys taunting Owen, Kenny, the tree with "little girl" indicates a negative view of girls as compared to boys. This attitude is misogynistic of them. Misogyny, negative attitude/view of girls, is not a theme Reeves is developing. So, the use of "little girl" as a taunt, slur does not further an anti misogyny theme. It appears, to me, to only be used to make the bullies all the more vile. This could have been accomplished by any number of other taunts, insults. Therefore the use of "little girl" as a taunt is gratuitous as it does nothing to further the themes of the film in and of itself, IMO.
Do you really think calling a boy a girl constitutes or is indicative of a hatred of women?From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Misogyny \Mi*sog"y*ny\ (m[i^]*s[o^]j"[i^]*n[y^]; 277), n. [Gr.
misogyni`a: cf. F. misogynie.]
Hatred of women. Contrast {misandry}. --Johnson.
[1913 Webster]
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
misogyny
n 1: hatred of women [syn: {misogyny}, {misogynism}] [ant:
{philogyny}]
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Re: Did anyone else like LMI better as a film?
I think you've made your point quite logically. And I agree with you. I'm also a bit ashamed that I didn't pick up on this without your help.Alice?Maybe wrote:Fair enough. I'll try again and try to be a bit clearer, if I don't succeed that's my fault.
The boys taunting Owen, Kenny, the tree with "little girl" indicates a negative view of girls as compared to boys. This attitude is misogynistic of them. Misogyny, negative attitude/view of girls, is not a theme Reeves is developing. So, the use of "little girl" as a taunt, slur does not further an anti misogyny theme.
It appears, to me, to only be used to make the bullies all the more vile. This could have been accomplished by any number of other taunts, insults.
Therefore the use of "little girl" as a taunt is gratuitous as it does nothing to further the themes of the film in and of itself, IMO.
Hope I did better this time. If not my apologies. I am repeating myself and not furthering the conversation, I'd like to avoid that. I can be trying enough without endless repetition
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No need to be ashamed. I have a tendency to write long, convoluted sentences.PeteMork wrote:
I think you've made your point quite logically. And I agree with you. I'm also a bit ashamed that I didn't pick up on this without your help.
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Re: Did anyone else like LMI better as a film?
It was generally well reviewed at the time. Some have found the film disturbing and/or slow, but I think it's worth a look.Alice?Maybe wrote:gymmy64 wrote: That in turns reminds me of a piece of dialogue spoken by Charlotte Gainsborough's character in "The Concrete Garden:
Another great clip.
Is the movie it's from good?
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I like disturbing, it challenges my thinking and understanding. I found LMI quite disturbing on several levels. The very fact of a 12 year old vampire, for one. The relationship between Abby and Thomas and by extension Abby's relationship with Owen has disturbing elements. It disturbs me and I loved it for it.gymmy64 wrote:It was generally well reviewed at the time. Some have found the film disturbing and/or slow, but I think it's worth a look.Alice?Maybe wrote:gymmy64 wrote: That in turns reminds me of a piece of dialogue spoken by Charlotte Gainsborough's character in "The Concrete Garden:
Another great clip.
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Your list almost matches mine. Under 'disturbing' I have to add what I think is an absolute horror of the nights - uncountable - of her sitting there awake by herself. To my mind that is a chasm which I cannot understand. I've only been around for a handful of decades. She's been around for potentially much longer than that. I spend my day interacting with all sorts. She gets a few hours with Thomas, and now a couple hours with Owen. But after that, they're asleep and she is left alone, alone with her daemon, her thoughts, her memories, ... for a 12 yr old I cannot imagine the torment.
And another disturbing element is that she dispatches Thomas. That leaves me very unsettled and worried about Owen and the outcome of his future with her. In my many attempts to pry aspects of 'Who Is Abby' from the clues in the movie, this is one that leaves my worried.
And another disturbing element is that she dispatches Thomas. That leaves me very unsettled and worried about Owen and the outcome of his future with her. In my many attempts to pry aspects of 'Who Is Abby' from the clues in the movie, this is one that leaves my worried.