Flip back to prior posts, the context is there. We've been having an ongoing discussion, after all. You asserted that Eli's hostility toward Stefan indicated the possibility he's killed people for annoying him before. I asserted in tun that it's unlikely because Eli never had any emotional connections of that depth that we have been made aware of, and therefore would never be emotionally invested in something enough to lash out in that manner. Oskar is the changing point. You asserted that wasn't an excuse - I did not say it was, I said that the difference in magnitudes between "Eli is annoyed" and "Eli has had his blood pact interrupted" is a distinction that requires acknowledgement. Because acknowledging that distinction in turn acknowledges the unlikelihood of Eli having similar reactions in the past for aforementioned reasons.metoo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:42 pmSpartanAltego wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:44 pmAgain, there's a relative difference between being annoyed and having the most intimate moment of your long life being disrupted.metoo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 amI think having even a most intimate moment disrupted by an innocent passer by is no excuse for intending to kill that person.
Furthermore, the scene was put in LtODD by JAL, perhaps for a reason. Maybe he wanted to tell us fans that Eli isn't quite as adorable as we think?So what did you say, then?
Well, I apologise for not making clear that the latter part of my post was not aimed at you. As you yourself observe, it is indeed railing against a prevailing tendency in this forum to disregard Eli's horrible aspects and make him a cute, innocent little child who is just adorable. It's a pet peeve of mine. I even wrote a couple of fan fiction pieces to illustrate my view on this [1] [2]. Note: I would write them differently today. See below.SpartanAltego wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pmYou seem more focused on railing against a perceived view of Eli demonstrated by others than the contents of the argument, metoo. I sympathize with that stance, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Eli is adorable the same way a tiger cub is adorable, or perhaps a moody stray cat. Only at any instant he can grow up into the great big murder machine he's designed to be and show you why they're best admired at a distance.
I actually agree: distance is key. I have written many short stories about Oskar and Eli after Karlstad, but these days I find it very hard. One really needs to handle the vampiric aspect in order to write anything with them as central figures. It's such a dominant factor of their existence. However, this is a moral morass, very hard to navigate. Better then doing as you suggested and write stories about other people, in which O&E flashes by at a distance. Like JAL did in LtODD.SpartanAltego wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pmDistance is key. That scene demonstrates that Oskar and Eli are now to be observed from the outside, not from within as we're used to. We no longer get the benefit of looking in on their world, because it is only for them and them alone. Stefan could be said to represent the audience in that moment, peeking in with curiosity to see what becomes of the kids: and Eli's immediate wrathful response indicates that we are not allowed further intrusion. Whatever happens to them, it's theirs alone to know. Keep in mind, too, that this is the only scene in which they are 'present' so to speak. Elsewise they exist as rumors, trails of data, a single photo taken in 2008. Because observing them from afar is the only safe way to do so, now.
And, of course, this might be a reason why we'll never se a sequel to LtROI.
For example, stabbing someone who killed your puppy does not necessarily indicate that you've stabbed people for spilling salt on your burger. Context is key, generalizations are the enemy.