The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

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The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by Angelmaker » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:31 pm

Where does the blood in the bath come from? It would take a lot of blood to fill a bath more than 1 whole body I would think. We never hear of a killing that is used to fill the bath up with blood
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Post by a_contemplative_life » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:28 pm

As far as I know, the only thing the novel says about this is, "On the bathroom floor were several large plastic jugs whose translucent plastic surfaces were smeared with red." So, it's very speculative to conclude much of anything from this. Unless it's "bad" blood from a hospital or a blood bank, i.e., that Eli cannot consume, I don't think it fits very well with a little vampire who supposedly is starved for blood most of the time. I have a vague recollection that in a previous thread, someone mentioned that JAL had agreed that it was good that it was not included in the film.
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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by Angelmaker » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:36 pm

a_contemplative_life wrote:As far as I know, the only thing the novel says about this is, "On the bathroom floor were several large plastic jugs whose translucent plastic surfaces were smeared with red." So, it's very speculative to conclude much of anything from this. Unless it's "bad" blood from a hospital or a blood bank, i.e., that Eli cannot consume, I don't think it fits very well with a little vampire who supposedly is starved for blood most of the time. I have a vague recollection that in a previous thread, someone mentioned that JAL had agreed that it was good that it was not included in the film.
Yeah I remember the part about the plastc jugs in the bathroom and I didn't think much of it at the time. Just since I have been preparing to write a FF I thought of it. Maybe it was a bit of a mistake by JAL, like Eli not getting an invite into the hospital. I can't think of any realistic reason as to how they could have got that much blood into the bath unless it's animal blood.

I'm pleased though in a way because if JAL can get away with that without any explanation and it still works then my FF can get away with a big part of the plot in it which does have an explanation. Thanks contemplative life
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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by shaggles » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:24 am

Angelmaker wrote: Maybe it was a bit of a mistake by JAL, like Eli not getting an invite into the hospital.
What? She did get invited into the hospital. I'd have to dig into the book but I swear I remember her standing outside the door asking (repeatedly) if she could come in.

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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by Angelmaker » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:07 am

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Angelmaker wrote: Maybe it was a bit of a mistake by JAL, like Eli not getting an invite into the hospital.
What? She did get invited into the hospital. I'd have to dig into the book but I swear I remember her standing outside the door asking (repeatedly) if she could come in.
In the film someone says "you can go in" or something like that but in the book she just walks in. I didn't notice it when I read the book though. It was only when I watched the DVD with the commentary that JAL says that he forgot to write the intvite into the book. The director tried to make it out that it was a public place so maybe Eli didn't need one but JAL then says that Eli did need one for the pool at the end and more or less held his hands up to say that it was a bit of a mistake and there should have been an invite.

I was just thinking more about the bath. In the book Eli has a bath as in a proper bath where she washes and Hakan can hear the splashing about (it's not long after meeting Oskar and acting like a child again). Well there can't be blood in the bath then. Maybe the jugs of blood were in there but then they would need even more blood to fill the bath back up for bed time. I don't get how that can be done...
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Post by rgh » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:14 am

shaggles wrote:
Angelmaker wrote: Maybe it was a bit of a mistake by JAL, like Eli not getting an invite into the hospital.
What? She did get invited into the hospital. I'd have to dig into the book but I swear I remember her standing outside the door asking (repeatedly) if she could come in.
I think you may be thinking of the scene at the old woman's house (with cancer). There she did hesitate and wipe her feet waiting for a proper invite.

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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by rgh » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:22 am

The blood in the bath does complicate things a bit. Lacke observes that it looks like it has been there for a while, but clearly Eli is using the tub to bathe. I am sure the plastic bottles had contained the blood and that the tub had been filled prior to Eli's encounter in the basement. The fact that Eli was concerned that Oskar shouldn't come into the bathroom while she was asleep suggest to me that she didn't want him to see this. Perhaps it is something she only does before traveling. Even then, I'm not sure where that quantity of blood would have been obtained.

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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by Angelmaker » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:05 am

rgh wrote:The blood in the bath does complicate things a bit. Lacke observes that it looks like it has been there for a while, but clearly Eli is using the tub to bathe. I am sure the plastic bottles had contained the blood and that the tub had been filled prior to Eli's encounter in the basement. The fact that Eli was concerned that Oskar shouldn't come into the bathroom while she was asleep suggest to me that she didn't want him to see this. Perhaps it is something she only does before traveling. Even then, I'm not sure where that quantity of blood would have been obtained.
I totally agree. Eli could do it before travelling but then there doesn't seem to be a reason why. I can accept that Eli just knows that he needs to sleep in blood, like he knows that he needs and invite in, wasn't told that. The biggest question is where the blood came from and maybe needed more than 1 bath load which is a lot seeing as it's hard enough to get hold of a litre. I can't see Håkan having got hold of it, he's not too good at doing that lol
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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by gary13136 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:19 am

JAL wrote one of the best horror stories of all time. I think he can be forgiven an occasional omission. :D
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Re: The bath *SPOILERS if you haven't read the book*

Post by rgh » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:20 am

Angelmaker wrote:
rgh wrote:The blood in the bath does complicate things a bit. Lacke observes that it looks like it has been there for a while, but clearly Eli is using the tub to bathe. I am sure the plastic bottles had contained the blood and that the tub had been filled prior to Eli's encounter in the basement. The fact that Eli was concerned that Oskar shouldn't come into the bathroom while she was asleep suggest to me that she didn't want him to see this. Perhaps it is something she only does before traveling. Even then, I'm not sure where that quantity of blood would have been obtained.
I totally agree. Eli could do it before travelling but then there doesn't seem to be a reason why. I can accept that Eli just knows that he needs to sleep in blood, like he knows that he needs and invite in, wasn't told that. The biggest question is where the blood came from and maybe needed more than 1 bath load which is a lot seeing as it's hard enough to get hold of a litre. I can't see Håkan having got hold of it, he's not too good at doing that lol
Håkan could have robbed a blood bank... I could see him returning one night with jugs of blood from the blood bank, or even animal blood, thinking that Eli wouldn't know the difference. After words, maybe Eli would explain to him about the bad things that happen when she is not fed properly. A very unpleasant conversation.

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