Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Can i buy an electron version of the book???
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
There is a Kindle version of the English translation. I'd imagine that there is an electronic version of at least the original Swedish as well.fuad765 wrote:Can i buy an electron version of the book???
...the story derives a lot of its appeal from its sense of despair and a darkness in which the love of Eli and Oskar seems to shine with a strange and disturbing light.
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Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Thank you for your reply Wolfchild)))Wolfchild wrote:There is a Kindle version of the English translation. I'd imagine that there is an electronic version of at least the original Swedish as well.fuad765 wrote:Can i buy an electron version of the book???
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Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Looks like Oskar and Eli jumped into things even faster then I thought. My fanfic had him being turned on his 13th birthday, rather then immediately. It gave Oskar more time to weigh his decision. But I am glad my theory was ultimately correct, as I had already surmised that an unbalanced relationship (Oskar without vampirism) could never work in any meaningful way.
So, I was part right.
So, I was part right.
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
The end of the novel came in a clearer light after reading LTODD. The parting - seen with love - for a few seconds.
And the aftermath: Oskar seems to shut the world out. Nothing seems to matter anymore. In the pool he even seems to be sort of content with death, as matters turned out.
So, some hours on the train in peace to think matters over could be just what Oskar needed to make up his mind.
And the aftermath: Oskar seems to shut the world out. Nothing seems to matter anymore. In the pool he even seems to be sort of content with death, as matters turned out.
So, some hours on the train in peace to think matters over could be just what Oskar needed to make up his mind.
For the heart life is simple. It beats as long as it can.
- Karl Ove Knausgård
- Karl Ove Knausgård
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
I think you're right. Oskar's total lack of resistance to Tommy says as much. Nothing matters but Eli, making his final decision that much more inevitable. It's the only way he can be sure he'll not lose her.drakkar wrote:The end of the novel came in a clearer light after reading LTODD. The parting - seen with love - for a few seconds.
And the aftermath: Oskar seems to shut the world out. Nothing seems to matter anymore. In the pool he even seems to be sort of content with death, as matters turned out.
So, some hours on the train in peace to think matters over could be just what Oskar needed to make up his mind.
We never stop reading, although every book comes to an end, just as we never stop living, although death is certain. (Roberto Bolaño)
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Yes, certainly. I, however, think he had made his mind up already before stepping on that train (see below).drakkar wrote:The end of the novel came in a clearer light after reading LTODD. The parting - seen with love - for a few seconds.
And the aftermath: Oskar seems to shut the world out. Nothing seems to matter anymore. In the pool he even seems to be sort of content with death, as matters turned out.
So, some hours on the train in peace to think matters over could be just what Oskar needed to make up his mind.
1 When Oskar realised that he hadn't been infected by handling Eli's clothes, he (to his own surprise) found that he was disappointed.PeteMork wrote:... Nothing matters but Eli, making his final decision that much more inevitable. It's the only way he can be sure he'll not lose her.
2 When Eli asks him about being like Eli, (in my reading) he seems undecided, then Eli very quickly drops the issue. Maybe Eli could have persuaded him at this point already?
3 At the end, Oskar has the feeling that there is something he has to do, he just doesn't know what it is. My guess is that it's going away with Eli, as Eli's peer, he just hasn't made it clear to himself yet. Maybe he blocks out the idea, because he thinks the opportunity is lost, with Eli being gone (forever).
4 As of drakkar's and Pete Mork's quotes.
5 So when he gets a second chance, he grabs it right away!
But from the beginning Eli was just Eli. Nothing. Anything. And he is still a mystery to me. John Ajvide Lindqvist
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Eli might have done that, but I felt Eli's character came through when he didn't. It also might be a little early for Oskar - I felt he wasn't quite there yet, and hat he got there at 4) - seen with love.metoo wrote:2 When Eli asks him about being like Eli, (in my reading) he seems undecided, then Eli very quickly drops the issue. Maybe Eli could have persuaded him at this point already?
Fully agreed - but the swiftness surprised me a bit.metoo wrote:5 So when he gets a second chance, he grabs it right away!
For the heart life is simple. It beats as long as it can.
- Karl Ove Knausgård
- Karl Ove Knausgård
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
I believe this scene reveals a lot about Eli's thoughts, between the lines. My take is that Eli doesn't believe that any sane person wants to be with a vampire, not to say to be one. Then he meets Oskar, who still wants to be with him, even when finally having witnessed Eli's vampiric activities first hand.drakkar wrote:Eli might have done that, but I felt Eli's character came through when he didn't. ...metoo wrote:2 When Eli asks him about being like Eli, (in my reading) he seems undecided, then Eli very quickly drops the issue. Maybe Eli could have persuaded him at this point already?
Since Oskar apparently is so unconcerned about Eli's vampirism, he might even want to be one, how perplexing this yet is to Eli. So Eli has to ask, the possibility is too valuable to let go, but he didn't really believe that Oskar would say yes. Thus he drops the question quickly, when Oskar is reluctant.
After Eli has left, Oskar goes into a depression, because of his lost love. For all he knows, Eli is gone, forever. He gets a feeling that there is something he should do, he just doesn't know what. He gets ideas, and tries them, but the feeling isn't resolved. He wants to go, not to somewhere, just go. Then, when Eli reappears, everything fall into place, he realises what he wants, and what he needs to do to get it. Although not in the novel, Oskar's/Kåre's smile at the movie pool scene is very telling.
Although I think the decision was rather instant, there actually was quite a lot of time. The training would start at seven, thus the pool event would have been at eight. The train to Karlstad left at noon, earliest. That would give Oskar as much as 15 hours to make his decision, he even would have had the time to get a good night's sleep. (He doesn't seem sleepy at the train, does he?)drakkar wrote:Fully agreed - but the swiftness surprised me a bit.metoo wrote:5 So when he gets a second chance, he grabs it right away!
But from the beginning Eli was just Eli. Nothing. Anything. And he is still a mystery to me. John Ajvide Lindqvist
Re: Thoughts about Let The Old Dreams Die !!!SPOILERS!!!
Yes, and in addition Oskar now has got a confirmation that he was welcome.metoo wrote:I believe this scene reveals a lot about Eli's thoughts, between the lines. My take is that Eli doesn't believe that any sane person wants to be with a vampire, not to say to be one. Then he meets Oskar, who still wants to be with him, even when finally having witnessed Eli's vampiric activities first hand.
Since Oskar apparently is so unconcerned about Eli's vampirism, he might even want to be one, how perplexing this yet is to Eli. So Eli has to ask, the possibility is too valuable to let go, but he didn't really believe that Oskar would say yes. Thus he drops the question quickly, when Oskar is reluctant.
I was thinking of days!metoo wrote:Although I think the decision was rather instant, there actually was quite a lot of time. The training would start at seven, thus the pool event would have been at eight. The train to Karlstad left at noon, earliest. That would give Oskar as much as 15 hours to make his decision, he even would have had the time to get a good night's sleep. (He doesn't seem sleepy at the train, does he?)
For the heart life is simple. It beats as long as it can.
- Karl Ove Knausgård
- Karl Ove Knausgård