at what point did u love the movie

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Re: at what point did u love the movie

Post by ked101 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:01 am

kenkwan wrote:
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Wolfchild wrote: That is exactly what I am referring to. I really wish Tomas had filmed the scenes for the flashback; as disturbing as they would have been they would have filled in that void in the film.
I totally agree, their absence leaves a void in both that that scene feels disjointed, and in that it's an important element of the overall story. I actually tend to think of that part of the film as two scenes, the 'Be me a little' scene and the 'missing flashback' scene, even though they're really part of the same scene, because there is such a contrast in quality.
Absolutely agree that the 'flashback' scene will fill in the void of the film. It will make sense that Oskar peek at Eli later because he want to make sure what he see in the flashback is truth.

Yeah it made the film confusing - I had to look on Google to explain what was happening (before I read the book). How could you have done it though- would you show his penis before hand and then present a scene showing him face down and people seeing the horror in his face before he was chopped? I think the film touched a lot of boundaries - which walked a fine line between pleasing people and upsetting them - especially with children involved. The other option for the movie could have been to simply have people believe Eli was a girl- if there was no scar scene then I would not have given it a second thought. However I'm glad it was there simply because I like Eli as a boy it challenges usual ideas of what a film will follow.

I am looking forward to let me in - I really hope the director keeps to the book as far as possible - although it will be so hard to please us - Lina and Kare performances were so special - Lina's facial gestures and eyes were mesmerising in what they conveyed - sigh!

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Post by FernandoAlonso7 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:52 pm

There is a specific part that I liked it more or less, we say that there are many scenes that I saw more than the others on Youtube, such as those of the Jungle Gym, or when Oskar goes for the first time house of Eli, also the final scene of the pool I've seen many times because it's really well done.
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Post by pristidae » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:11 am

What choked me up watching this film most (though the whole progression of interaction between Oskar & Eli is amazingly expressive and subtle) was the scene where Eli bled. The whole "be me a little", "would you like me anyway" theme. It was then that I realized what a major theme of the film was -- how hard it is to tell someone you love the very reason(s) he/she shouldn't be with you.

The reason this moment was particularly moving for me is personal. First, off, I loved this film from the first time I saw Eli because, no lie, Lina in LTROI looks exactly like my wife did at 12. Second, the progression of our relationship early on, absent the supernatural elements, has certain parallels. A short time before I met her, she was diagnosed with a terminal blood disease, and was told, fresh out of college that she likely had just a few years to live. We fell in love, me having no idea about her condition. When it got serious, she had to tell me, but how can you tell someone you love, and need, that you can never have a normal life together? -- that there won't be three kids, two cars, travel vacations, or a house in the suburbs, but instead, nights battling a horrifying illness, days in the hospital, and the knowledge that you can never grow old together? Why would anyone marry a person with knowledge of the coming storm?

Eventually, she tentatively laid it out for me. I was shocked and horrified and angry; not at her of course, but at the brutal irony that you find your soulmate, but oh yeah, she's dying... I did stay up with her often as she hyperventilated until she passed out, unable to get enough oxygen into her body due to her enfeebled blood. I comforted her as, terrified, Kool-aid-red blood (discolored due to lack of red blood cells) leaked from her nose, gums, nailbeds, and elsewhere. And, thankfully, amazingly, after several years of this pale half-life, the disease just kind of went away. That was a decade ago. We got married anyway and today we are both happy and healthy. We hope the doctors were wrong about her ultimate prognosis, or that this remission will last.

Back to LTROI, I thought about poor Eli, stricken with a condition that prevents him from ever leading a normal life, an affliction that would likely prevent most people from ever wanting to be close to him. Eli liking Oskar, but terrified to tell him: (1) did I mention I'm a vampire?, (2) oh, and I'm a boy, and (3) I've been horribly abused and brutalized? That if he stays with Eli, their relationship will be constricted to accommodate his affliction. They'll never be able to settle down in one place, they can't ever be out during the day together, he'll have to kill to survive, and there is seemingly no way to cure Eli of his affliction . . . How hard would it be for Eli to tell the one person who makes him feel wanted and comforted these things, knowing that each fact would drive most people away forever?

For me, the vampire element was not a focus -- LTROI is a powerful film for its portrayal of the raw, bloody realization that a beautiful relationship may be doomed from the start, but if you truly love one another, its worth it to try anyway...

I perfectly understood why Eli would transfer his experiences to Oskar, so that he could truly understand Eli. I think that when someone lives on the verge of death for an extended time (as with a terminal illness), it is extremely difficult to convey to someone necessarily mired in the normal world what its like. The crushing loneliness, the depression, that lack of concern for all of the meaningless details and concerns the rest of us have to immerse ourselves in to pay the bills, keep our jobs, etc... I think, even as much as I supported my wife through her illness, I do not think I ever REALLY understood how it felt for her. Everyone wants to hear that your "doing better"; its too hard for the rest of us to stop our busy lives to image what it is like to know you are dying, soon; I guess it is too draining to hear that there is nothing that anyone can do to help.

I would guess that Eli's existence in many ways mirrors living with a terminal illness (for centuries). Eli lives on the verge of death, and cannot concern herself with mortgages and job promotions and the next American Idol. There are things she has to do to survive, like moving often, not attracting attention, and killing for food. How could she explain this to Oskar? How devastating would it be to know you have to reveal these secrets, knowing it will probably drive him away?

When I saw Eli, bleeding from his eyes and ears and scalp, proving to Oskar that (1) he/she was horribly flawed (in normal world terms--vampire, and male), while (2) simultaneously showing him that he would make himself vulnerable for Oskar, I realized that LTROI was the best film I've encountered at demonstrating what its like for people to tell their deepest secrets to a lover, knowing full well that such supreme vulnerability may destroy the very relationship they need to ease their loneliness and pain.
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Re: at what point did u love the movie

Post by a_contemplative_life » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:45 am

pristidae wrote:What choked me up watching this film most (though the whole progression of interaction between Oskar & Eli is amazingly expressive and subtle) was the scene where Eli bled. The whole "be me a little", "would you like me anyway" theme. It was then that I realized what a major theme of the film was -- how hard it is to tell someone you love the very reason(s) he/she shouldn't be with you.
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When I saw Eli, bleeding from his eyes and ears and scalp, proving to Oskar that (1) he/she was horribly flawed (in normal world terms--vampire, and male), while (2) simultaneously showing him that she would make himself vulnerable for him, I realized that LTROI was the best film I've encountered at demonstrating what its like for people to tell their deepest secrets, knowing full well that such supreme vulnerability may destroy the very relationship they need to ease their loneliness and pain.
I am so glad that someone who has actually had a personal experience that affords him a basis to understand Eli has taken the time to express himself in such a thoughtful and articulate manner. Your analysis of Eli is right on the money, in my book--although, unlike you, I cannot say I have been through anything like it. And what an amazing story about your wife. She sure is lucky to have had you there for her when she was sick. I hope, for you, that your desire for a permanent remission proves true.
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Post by Aurora » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:32 am

That's a lovely story pristidae, I'm glad to hear that her condition has gone into remission and that you're still together :)
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Re: at what point did u love the movie

Post by Wolfchild » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:28 pm

Pristidae,

My favorite quote about this movie comes from Tomas Alfredson, the director, who said
I would say that the brighter side of this dark story is that yes you can choose love, just turn your head, it's possible. Even in the darkest times you can still choose love.
I think that you proved out the truth of this statement to your wife. She turned her head and you were there.

Thank you for sharing with us this very personal tale.
...the story derives a lot of its appeal from its sense of despair and a darkness in which the love of Eli and Oskar seems to shine with a strange and disturbing light.
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Post by N.R. Gasan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:26 pm

pristidae wrote:And, thankfully, amazingly, after several years of this pale half-life, the disease just kind of went away. That was a decade ago. We got married anyway and today we are both happy and healthy. We hope the doctors were wrong about her ultimate prognosis, or that this remission will last."
This was the best part of your post. I am a die-hard romantic, so I was VERY happy to read that your missus is alive and well and the two of you are happy. {{{{{{ pristidae }}}}}} {{{{{{ Mrs. pristidae }}}}}} And I don't think anyone here on Team Eli could have a better insight into the relationship between Oskar and Eli (I can only imagine the look on your face when you watched the scene of Eli bleeding in Oskar's apartment).

May fate continue to smile on you and your missus.

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Re: at what point did u love the movie

Post by N.R. Gasan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:31 pm

As for at what point did I love the movie...I happened upon LTROI back in October of '08 when, ironically, I was doing some online research into TWILIGHT; I had a co-worker who was (and is) a big-time "Twilighter." When I saw the trailer for LTROI, it immediately captured my imagination; I watched the trailer many times. I read dozens of reviews, which made me want to see the film that much more. I knew with such a limited release, I wasn't going to see this film in the theater, so I pre-ordered it. While I waited for the March '09 DVD release, I read more reviews, visited a number of web sites, watched just about every video on YouTube pertaining to the film, etc., etc. :)

By the time I actually watched the movie, I practically knew it by heart. I have my favorite parts, of course, but this is one film I think of as more than a movie; it is a moving work of art. Every frame, every line, every gesture adds to the film as a whole; there is no wasted space in this movie. And there aren't many movies, even very good ones, where that can be said.

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Post by cmfireflies » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:45 am

Wow pristidae. It's so great to hear that happy endings aren't only for stories. Thanks for sharing!

As for when I fell in love with the movie, I think it was so gradual that I didn't even notice as I was watching. After the end, everything just clicked. But the invite scene is a definite high point.
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Post by lombano » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:44 am

Pristidae, I'm so happy for you and your wife that you found each other and that she is better.
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