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kesshikidouwa
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by kesshikidouwa » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:55 am
varamiglite wrote:kesshikidouwa wrote:I've always taken that line to signify that despite her true age Eli is still quite childish in terms of his understanding of the world.
Caught me between edits
I can't help it, thanks to the movie Eli will always be a "her" in my mind ._.
varamiglite wrote:I doubt Eli has any idea how much a nuke plant costs either nor does she know how much the egg costs.
And it seems I'm not the only one

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by varamiglite » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:39 am
It's rational for you to think Eli is a she despite what they reveal in the book. Doesn't he continue to be effeminate after revealing himself to Oskar? He didn't automatically become a masculine character. It makes sense to think either way regardless of what's shown in the book.
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kesshikidouwa
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by kesshikidouwa » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:03 am
varamiglite wrote:It's rational for you to think Eli is a she despite what they reveal in the book. Doesn't he continue to be effeminate after revealing himself to Oskar? He didn't automatically become a masculine character. It makes sense to think either way regardless of what's shown in the book.
You're right... gender is a complex thing, something that goes deeper than the physiological.
I've always had to correct myself when talking about Eli, but I realise now I should just accept the way she is in my mind.
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metoo
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by metoo » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:45 am
a_contemplative_life wrote:Finally, if you're on a quest for a really cool puzzle, this site has tons of stuff for sale:
http://www.seriouspuzzles.com/
Such as this one: (click the image)

But from the beginning Eli was just Eli. Nothing. Anything. And he is still a mystery to me. John Ajvide Lindqvist
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cx1138
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by cx1138 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:56 pm
I hate the egg is cgi :/ I mean they did a great job and it doesn't look like cgi, but I really wanted one. I did an online search too and nothing like it is to be found although some look kinda close. It would have to be an exact replica for me. Maybe if I win the lottery someday

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by cx1138 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:13 pm
varamiglite wrote:kesshikidouwa wrote:varamiglite wrote:I think that it is real and just as Eli said it probably goes for the same price as a nuclear power plant!
I mean I have no idea how much something like that (if it existed) would cost, or how much a nuclear power station costs, but I'm guessing the latter would be quite a bit more expensive.
I was exaggerating of course

I'm not sure how much a nuke plant costs but a Faberge egg costs more than I'll have any time soon! I doubt Eli has any idea how much a nuke plant costs either nor does she know how much the egg costs. I'm assuming it's another thing she stole. I can tell it was her kind of smarta** way of saying she's all but poor despite her very "humble" home environment.
I'm not sure I want one that fancy but I want one! If such a thing doesn't exist or is too rare I might find someone to make a wooden one for me...or maybe copper. I think a copper one that's got a decent amount of age showing through it would be awesome!
I just googled how much it would cost to build a nuclear power plant, from an article May 2008: The current theoretical overnight cost of constructing a nuclear power plant is about 2 to 2.5 billion dollars for a plant with two conventional reactors and generating about two gigawatts – a nominally sized plant.
I dont think Eli could conceive that amount of money, or maybe she can! I think Eli is too nice to steal, I think the egg and other things were given to her. Some things she could have taken from the dead bodies after she fed, but that isn't technically stealing to a 12 year old that knows not very much of the world I think.
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by varamiglite » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:28 pm
I don't think she's a thief by means of like pickpocketing or holding people up at gunpoint but she does take things from the people she kills, which even with good intentions, is still stealing. It fits in with the whole "I do it because I have to" line, she takes things from her victims so she can survive. She doesn't know much but she knows the world runs on money!
It's awesome that you looked up how much it would cost to erect a power plant by modern standards

!!! I'm actually considering buying one now.
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by Ash » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:35 am
Didn't Eli steal Oskar's Star Wars sweatshirt?
I would have loved to see Eli dressed like this in the film-
"She was wearing tennis shoes, blue jeans, and a black sweatshirt....."
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by metoo » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:52 am
Ash wrote:Didn't Eli steal Oskar's Star Wars sweatshirt?
Maybe, and maybe not. Eli was wearing one that looked exactly like the one Oskar had been wearing two days before, but which was now in the laundry. Oskar first thinks Eli is wearing
his sweater, but then wonders if Eli had bought one just because Oskar had one.
The question is open; personally I lean towards the second case. Mostly because I like the thought of Eli wanting to come closer to Oskar and childishly trying this way, but also because I cannot see how Eli would have got access to Oskar's sweater. It would either have been inside Oskar's apartment, or in the locked common laundry room. And, believe me, Oskar's mother would have carefully locked the laundry room when she wasn't there, considering some of the people living in the neighborhood…
But from the beginning Eli was just Eli. Nothing. Anything. And he is still a mystery to me. John Ajvide Lindqvist
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by Ash » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:09 am
Perhaps.
I like to think he took Oskar's one because he wanted to have something personal of his, maybe something that smelled like him.
But I think Eli could gain access to just about anywhere he wanted, with his super strength he could force entry to any (unoccupied) part of the complex.
The thought of Eli going shopping for clothes? Well maybe, after sunset of course. He did have lots of money, but his other clothes suggest he didn't buy much that was new, if he bought any clothes at all.
Perhaps for Oskar, he did.
Eli did say he hadn't had a normal friendship for hundreds of years, and I read that as meaning he wanted to be normal, ie. at least look normal like Oskar, and perhaps make it easier for Oskar to accept him as a peer by looking like one.
Whether or not Eli bought or nicked the shirt, the fact he chose to wear it, is more evidence that Eli's relationship with Oskar is making him more human.
And that entails becoming a weaker and less pure-survival Eli from what he was at the beginning of the novel/film. Not such a good move for a vampire, but becoming more human (and falling in love) wasn't really a conscious choice he made anyway.