12 year old love

[mackousko]

Eli changing Oskar into vampire, but no kid want to be stuck as child.

Oskar would not become eternal child, he would become a vampire.

[intrige]

Eli changing Oskar into vampire, but no kid want to be stuck as child.

But question this: Why would he want to grow up. To me, and to any other child, it was to gain power. Get to do more, be independent, and for Oskar to get the heck away from his peers. If he turned into a vampire, he would get away from Jonny(Conny) and the others. And he would gain a whole lot of power people normally don't get. Not only being able to fly, be super strong and free from any houseroles, or school rules, homework etc. But also the power to chose life and death for his victims. Mostly death, but who knows? They might do some Tommys, that's a choise.
I think a somewhat shortminded twelve yearold who also is in love, (even better motive to get turned) would have taken the chanse if he got it.

[lombano]

A relative of mine, when he was 13, had a gf the same age. He didn't view it as a serious relationship or anything, and he recalls nothing extremely unusual about it. Over a decade later, she as an adult had a serious accident. In this condition, she kept muttering his name, though they'd had no contact at all for many years. He deduces that for her it was a serious relationship, that she was or had been truly in love, or at the very least that the relationship had a deeper meaning for her. So, as to whether 12-year-olds can love genuinely, romantically, I would say 'not usually' rather than 'never.'
In any case, this is no ordinary puppy love. E&O saved each other's lives, came to depend on one another for life itself. There are very few couples of any age that have had such experiences. Shared extreme experiences are one of the most powerful bonds possible between two people.

[mackousko]

Eli changing Oskar into vampire, but no kid want to be stuck as child.

But question this: Why would he want to grow up. To me, and to any other child, it was to gain power. Get to do more, be independent, and for Oskar to get the heck away from his peers. If he turned into a vampire, he would get away from Jonny(Conny) and the others. And he would gain a whole lot of power people normally don't get. Not only being able to fly, be super strong and free from any houseroles, or school rules, homework etc. But also the power to chose life and death for his victims. Mostly death, but who knows? They might do some Tommys, that's a choise.
I think a somewhat shortminded twelve yearold who also is in love, (even better motive to get turned) would have taken the chanse if he got it.

That´s what i had in mind .

[drakkar]

To me this story isn't about carefully assessing the best possible action, not at all.
LTROI is about grabbing the chance and go for it, come what may. If you ask old people, they tend to regret what they didn't do rather than what they actually did.

[sauvin]

After showing this movie to my mother, the first thing she said was the two 12 year olds can never fall in love.

My question to you is:

1. Can a 12 year old feel real love?
2. If so what kind of love do Oskar and Eli share?

Define "real". A twelve year old can feel love, and if my own personal experience is any indicator, it isn't necessarily in the absence of sexual awareness or attraction, or of some glimmer of understanding of the adult understanding of what is meant by "relationship". The very idea of "going steady", which does happen at that age, can be seen as an exploration into the more permanent forms of relationship we're "expected" to form later in life. I'll cheerfully admit readily enough that it's unlikely a couple of twelve year olds would express their love "without reservation, without boundaries" in a physical sense, but (again, if personal experience is any indicator) it's not guaranteed.

As for what kind of love the kids share, it's not actually a question that's considered with any seriousness or at any depth in the forum because it seems implicitly understood that these kids have found an ally in each other. There's none of the "nasty" or the "profane" going on between the kids themselves, if we can leave Eli's beast out of the equation for a moment. Even in the novel, the one time Eli suggests something of the kind ("We can kiss a little, if you like", in the bedroom scene), Oskar's disinclination doesn't leave much to the imagination: he wants a friend, a relationship beyond just being on a first name basis. And so, we presume, does Eli.

It's honestly a pity that the English language has only one word to describe such a dizzyingly varied concept. The ancient Greeks had their phila'o (repesented in Wikipedia as "philia", agape and eros, none of which were mutually exclusive, and they probably often got tripped up over exactly which kinds of "love" they were getting involved with. Just now bopping around in Wiki, I'm being made aware of a fourth: storge.

To answer question 1 I believe 12 year old can know love in a way that adaults can never understand. A twelve year olds love is so pure andin their mind without consequence. With no real knowlege of sex and relationship, the 12 year old mind can find love in its purist form.

Dunno about "purest". I don't do "purity" except when indicating how much contaminant might be in a substance. Let's just say their love isn't as deucedly complex as an adult's can be.

That being said I think the kind of love Eli and Oskar feel isnt a real romantic love but a love closer to friendship. I believe both are attracted to eachother in a middle school sense of the term. Oskar may not fully understand Eli and visa versa but love without understanding is so important.

Those are my thoughts. whats everyone think?

I'd disagree with the "middle school sense". Most middle schoolers haven't been forced to live in cold, friendless darkness for a couple of centuries, so I think Eli'd have something to say about it just being some kind of preteen fling. Oskar, in his own turn, is living in pretty desperate circumstances. The net result is that their whole relationship is forced under extreme pressures.

[Clubmeister]

This funny video (as well as a lot of another videos about them) is in free access/search in "vkontakte", youtube and so on
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[EEA]

Well when I was twelve the way I learned about pure love was when my teacher spoke about her husband. I hear it in her voice and in the way her eyes looked. I was wow so that it was love is.

[BloodyMary]

I agree, that what they have is "pure love."

I truly want to believe Eli and Oskar are made for each other.
It's sweet that there is no sexual connection between them, and they are bonded by soul- by their emotions.

A young child may not have experience, but they are capable of emotions.
Love is an emotion.

[a_contemplative_life]

This funny video (as well as a lot of another videos about them) is in free access/search in "vkontakte", youtube and so on
http://vkontakte.ru/video120665853_160022911?noiphone

some more:
http://www.tube2ru.com/11922/%D0%BA%D1% ... D%D1%8F-4/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_D7DwBe ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APYLERor ... ure=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If6dmdJi ... ure=fvwrel

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