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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by cmfireflies » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:36 am

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Parasite -- My favorite film of 2019! Without question! I've been a huge fan of Bong-Joon Ho ever since I saw Memories of Murder and so far (with exception of Okja) he hasn't let me down. A darkly comedic yarn about an incredibly poor family who scam their way into the employee of a well to do upper class family. If you choose to see this then you should go into it completely blind. Let it suck you in and let it enchant you with its mastery of storytelling. I've seen it three times now and it only gets better with every re-watch. Darkly comedic and brilliantly acted by its cast and brilliantly directed by a master who is at the top of his game. My favorite film of 2019, by far!
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Glad to hear from you again. Parasite was great. I also saw Knives Out around the time I saw Parasite. Although it's pretty different, I thought Knives Out was a great companion piece to Parasite.
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by sauvin » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:45 am

Some time ago, I reported having watched a documentary called "Bully", once in a "write-up" and once referencing it while responding to another forum member relating some of his personal experiences with bullying and the emotional consequences that accrue.

If you don't care to follow the links and read my TL;DR posts, that's perfectly OK (especially if you already endured them seven and eight years ago), but some of the newer forum members or visitors may want to given them a fast scan. LTROI presents relatively mild bullying, just enough to give Oskar's emotional makeup some solid mass. LMI's presentation is more graphic, more visceral and may help explain why Oskar could probably eat Owen's lunch with very little effort: Oskar was subdued but not broken, whereas Owen was able to exert about as much control over how his story went as a wadded up piece of paper in a high wind. Owen's wings were broken, perhaps never to heal. This documentary may help crystallise this impression.

As noted before, this documentary doesn't give much in the way of facts, figures or analysis. Mostly, it's about a pile of lost people trying to make sense of what's happened to themselves and to the people they love. It's emotional, it's "here's who we are, here's what's happening to us, here's us not understanding one blessed thing". Other forum members have subsequently watched this documentary and shared on the forum that it was very hard to watch. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that part of the LTROI moondust that keeps some (or most?) of us in thrall after all these years is that Bully won't tell us anything we didn't already know. We've been there, we've done that, we've had all this garbage happen to us. What I myself didn't know until I was in my twenties (forty years ago) was that I wasn't the only one who'd been there or done that or been basically destroyed by this phenomenon. For many of us, it's not that we can understand Oskar or Owen. It's that we ARE Oskar and Owen.

I don't remember if I'd mentioned this in any previous post: LMI and this documentary came out within the same smallish time frame. I remember this very clearly because I'd driven an hour to $Bigger_City to see them in my brand spanking new (used) Ford Taurus not long after I'd gotten it. There weren't very many people gone to see LMI, but this might not be so surprising because early afternoon Saturdays aren't prime moviegoing time, but on both occasions I went to see it, there were other people there. By contrast, the first time I'd gone to see Bully, as I recall, there were maybe two or three other people in this huge honking stadium style auditorum. The second time I'd gone (this time with a laptop to take notes), I had the whole stadium to myself.

I interpret this as apathy. Hand in hand with it walks ignorance.

Some forum members seem to feel that Eli's revenge on the boys who tried drown Oskar in the pool was over the top. After all, Eli is so fast and so strong, couldn't she have just punched in a few noses and broken a few ribs and promised them that worse would come to anybody who seems to feel that treating people like crap is OK? Maybe yes, and maybe no - but I don't remember anybody ever definitively proving that Eli wasn't just Oskar's imaginary friend, and that Oskar actually did draw his last breath in that pool, and that the whole blood'n'guts scene just was Oskar's dying fantasy. If she weren't, Eli was from a different time and a different place. Maybe rural Swedes from her time had a different moral yardstick by which to measure socially acceptable payback.

Maybe Eli was just a dream that lives in every oppressed person's heart. We are what we are, no matter how you might try to spackle, wallpaper and paint over our essential natures with "civilisation" and "religion" and "civic duty" and "rule of law". If you punch me in the nose for no good reason, you certainly want to believe I'll have fanatsies about taking your body apart - slowly - one itty bitty bit at a time, and plenty of other people I've known have made similar confessions.

The 2013 remake of the 1976 original "Carrie", just a few minutes before the end credits roll, Sue Snell is heard in a court proceeding saying:
Sue Snell wrote:Carrie had some sort of power. But she was just like me... like any of you. She had hopes, she had fears, but we pushed her. And you can only push someone so far before they break.
Within that story's reality, the massacre on the gym floor wasn't a dying dream. It was a dying act. It was real; it happened. Some folk say that, too, was over the top. Again, maybe yes, maybe no... but when Sue had asked Carrie not to hurt her, Carrie's response was "Why not? I've been hurt my whole life." There are a few stories about teens who've bombed or shot up high schools, one suspects, who'd have said something similar.

I suppose my inability to forget this documentary comes from my own ongoing personal experience as a nearly deaf person smack-dab in the middle of the Midwestern US where there's still scarcely any distinction bwteen hearing impairment and what used to be called "mental retardation" - on the streets, in the schools and churches, in court (I once almost had a chance to help put away somebody improperly involved with children but was dismissed because I can't hear)... and at work, where the possibility of promotion simply does not exist because I can't use a phone or a radio, and can't understand announcements on the loudspeakers. They didn't even want to give me a forklift licence, specifically citing my hearing, until I mumbled something about a lawyer.

Watching this documentary helped make a few things a bit clearer for me, and brought new things for me to ponder. The earlier "writeups" mentioned in the first few lines of this post run over some of it. There've been so few movies over the decades that've stayed with me, and they're not very hard to enumerate (Babel, LTROI (and LMI), the original Frankenstein and Dracula movies, among very few others), and this documentary is one of them.


Anyway, enough gassing. If you want to watch it, it's on YouTube, I believe, for about $4.00 USD last I'd looked, and free on tubitv. Try not to watch it within an hour or two of your last meal.
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by Pissball » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:43 pm

I finally had the guts to see Martyrs, and it's actually not THAT pornographic in its torture, but rather it's the makeup and special effects of the consequences of such torture that make it so shocking.
It seemed like a solid horror movie to me, even if the villain's premise is pretty pointless (the reason they torture young women) it gave a different vibe to an average survivor torture movie. Although a little manipulative, it actually does what the old lady says, transforms the main character from a victim to a martyr, validating the villains and erasing the other victims we saw earlier.
The drama in the movie and the main characters (the two girls) were also solid, so their acting. Lucie reminds me of Eli's story in some way, and the actress who made the young Anna is also physically like Eli.
At this point, I think any movie that reminds me of LTROI somehow has a positive lol.

Anyhow Pascal Laugier must find another way to make horror films without torturing young girls (he does the same in Gosthland) and put more focus in his interesting (to me) storylines,although St Ange which does that didn't come up that well. And The Tallman doesn't look good either :think:

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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by sauvin » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:17 am

Pissball wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:43 pm
I finally had the guts to see Martyrs, and it's actually not THAT pornographic in its torture, but rather it's the makeup and special effects of the consequences of such torture that make it so shocking.
It seemed like a solid horror movie to me, even if the villain's premise is pretty pointless (the reason they torture young women) it gave a different vibe to an average survivor torture movie. Although a little manipulative, it actually does what the old lady says, transforms the main character from a victim to a martyr, validating the villains and erasing the other victims we saw earlier.
The drama in the movie and the main characters (the two girls) were also solid, so their acting. Lucie reminds me of Eli's story in some way, and the actress who made the young Anna is also physically like Eli.
At this point, I think any movie that reminds me of LTROI somehow has a positive lol.

Anyhow Pascal Laugier must find another way to make horror films without torturing young girls (he does the same in Gosthland) and put more focus in his interesting (to me) storylines,although St Ange which does that didn't come up that well. And The Tallman doesn't look good either :think:
The American remake watered it down quite a bit, but it didn't help. Watching it, I couldn't help remembering the French original. I wouldn't be able to watch either of these movies again now precisely because I do consider it torture porn, which I can no longer abide. I don't get that anybody or anything in either movie resembles anybody or anything from LTROI or LMI, though.
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by Pissball » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:19 pm

sauvin wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:17 am

The American remake watered it down quite a bit, but it didn't help. Watching it, I couldn't help remembering the French original. I wouldn't be able to watch either of these movies again now precisely because I do consider it torture porn, which I can no longer abide. I don't get that anybody or anything in either movie resembles anybody or anything from LTROI or LMI, though.
I didn't see the remake, but it looks very cheap and low budget and it seems like they made the story an average surviving crazy religious people, very cliche.
About how "porn" torture is in Martyrs, the torture scenes starts in the second half of the film and is essentially about being forced to eat junk and being beaten, what makes it difficult to digest is that we see a big ass man hitting a helpless woman, but the violence is no different than any action movie. But for example, we don't see Ana being skinned alive, we do see the consequences of the process and that makes it shocking, Ana is disfigured and ruined by the beating, unlike average movies where a man can be beaten to death and still look cleaner than a boxer who fought Mayweather.

Saw, Hostel, etc are exactly that: showing people being tortured with different methods and tricks, and we see all that on screen (I remember Saw vaguely, I dont know which in the saga I have seen but I watched some) and Hostel is quite graphic and gross as well. Im not a fan of torture porn either tbh.

And about the remembrance of LTROI, it is just the character of Lucie, who like Eli was tortured and abused as a child by creeps, of course, Eli has 200 years of life dealing with it and he was "empowered" by that (he became a powerful being, a vampire) while Lucie did not. And the other part, are the scenes at the beginning when the girls live in an orphanage remind me Eli tale of his past, and one of the girls looks very much like physically:

https://yurigoggles.com/2013/08/31/mart ... more-47287
https://medialifecrisis.com/acting-out/ ... -2008.html
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by sauvin » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:46 am

Pissball wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:19 pm
sauvin wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:17 am

The American remake watered it down quite a bit, but it didn't help. Watching it, I couldn't help remembering the French original. I wouldn't be able to watch either of these movies again now precisely because I do consider it torture porn, which I can no longer abide. I don't get that anybody or anything in either movie resembles anybody or anything from LTROI or LMI, though.
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I didn't see the remake, but it looks very cheap and low budget and it seems like they made the story an average surviving crazy religious people, very cliche.
About how "porn" torture is in Martyrs, the torture scenes starts in the second half of the film and is essentially about being forced to eat junk and being beaten, what makes it difficult to digest is that we see a big ass man hitting a helpless woman, but the violence is no different than any action movie. But for example, we don't see Ana being skinned alive, we do see the consequences of the process and that makes it shocking, Ana is disfigured and ruined by the beating, unlike average movies where a man can be beaten to death and still look cleaner than a boxer who fought Mayweather.

Saw, Hostel, etc are exactly that: showing people being tortured with different methods and tricks, and we see all that on screen (I remember Saw vaguely, I dont know which in the saga I have seen but I watched some) and Hostel is quite graphic and gross as well. Im not a fan of torture porn either tbh.

Maybe the difference between what I'm calling torture porn and what you're calling it is a matter of degree - "soft core" versus "hard core". It happens with "regular" porn, so why would it have to be different in this arena?

I think I remember sharing some impressions of Martyrs some years ago, and I think I included mentions of Hostel. What I find so repulsive about Hostel and its close kin isn't even so much the explicit torture (that I can't watch anymore) as it is in absolute plausibility. There are no vampires here, no werewolves, no twitchy-nosed witches; there's absolutely nothing to say that this kind of thing can't happen, and absolutely nothing to say that it doesn't happen in real life somewhere in the world. You're right, something like Martyrs isn't in the same league, but it shares that plausibility. We've all heard or read the stories about folks who'd been prisoners in this gulag or interned at that camp, sometimes replete with mad scientist doctors, other times just staffed by man-shaped creatures that looked and walked like regular men but were utterly inhuman in how they treated their charges.

The French aren't the only ones who can create movies I can't watch again. There have been at least two based on what happened to Silvia Likens, neither of which involving what you're calling actual torture porn but both of which involving the dehumanisation I'm talking about.
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by Pissball » Mon May 04, 2020 3:12 pm

I saw a preteen classic in my life May (2002) still cool, not dated.
And the incredible television series Dekalog by Krzysztof Kieslowski.

Dekalog's cinematography is beautiful and VERY similar to LTROI, if Kieslowski were the director it would have been very similar to Alfredson's version, in fact I think he and Van Hoytema were probably influenced by that work, there is even a shot very similar to Oskar's reflected in the glass/window.

PS: @sauvin Ive watch "The girl next door" a weird film, not that graphic but disturbing yes, but as I said, it has a very strange soapy tone.
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by sauvin » Tue May 05, 2020 6:03 am

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PS: @sauvin Ive watch "The girl next door" a weird film, not that graphic but disturbing yes, but as I said, it has a very strange soapy tone.
"Soapy"?
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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

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sauvin wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:03 am
Pissball wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 3:12 pm
PS: @sauvin Ive watch "The girl next door" a weird film, not that graphic but disturbing yes, but as I said, it has a very strange soapy tone.
"Soapy"?

I meant soap opera or Lifetime movie feel mixed with Discovery ID and Stephen King. Very odd.
The photography is very nice, it is set in the 50s.

And that specific movie is based on a Jack Ketchum book that I didn't read, which is also based in that real case.

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Re: Last DVD/Movie you bought or watched?

Post by dongregg » Wed May 06, 2020 5:41 pm

I figured that soapy meant soap opera since a lot of people call them "the soaps." But toss in Stephen King and the other refs and it makes my head swim. :D
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